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God doesn't believe in atheists

Wed Jun 15, 2005, 4:37 AM
"We do not know a millionth of one percent about anything."
- Thomas Edison"

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Read this in PDF format @ www.livingwaters.com/Merchant2…

God doesn't believe in atheists:
Chapter 1


Someone with dry wit once made me laugh when he mumbled, "Come in, boat number nine. Please come in, boat number nine. Boat number nine, can you hear me? Wait a minute--we don't have a boat number nine! Boat number six - are you in trouble?"

It amazes me that people can have a belief in the existence of God, and yet not think for a minute that something is radically wrong in our world. They can smile while boat number six sits upside-down in the water, slowly sinking. Let's look at an average day on God's fair earth. The day dawns to find that (according to UNICEF), 20,000 children have starved to death during the night. Another 20,000 children and many thousands of adults will die today of severe malnutrition. Nothing new there. Thousands of people will die from snake bites, poisonous spiders, attacks by sharks (an average of twenty-eight per year), scorpion bites, being eaten by lions, tigers, and devoured by other man-eating killers, not to mention blood-sucking mosquitoes and leeches.

Perhaps today we will have a surprise volcanic eruption, or an earthquake to crush families to death beneath the debris of their homes. Cancerous diseases will continue to take their toll and cause thousands to die in agony. Multitudes will perish from fatal ailments that have always plagued mankind, from asthma to typhoid to leprosy to heart disease. Today, human beings will be struck by lightning, drowned in floods, stung to death by killer bees, killed by hurricanes and tornadoes, tormented by blights, pestilence and infestations. They will be afflicted, devastated and brought to ruin.

The fact is, there are only three alternatives to explain all this suffering:
1. There is no God, as evidenced by the chaos.
2. God is totally incompetent and can't control His creation (or won't, which makes Him a tyrant).
3. Another explanation exists, one which the Bible gives for the state of the world.
Let's take a rational, logical look at the first of these three possibilities. It is the basis of a philosophy commonly called "atheism."

Faith Is for Wimps
From my own experience and from listening to many objections to Christianity, I have found that the subject of faith is often offensive to the nonbeliever. My own thinking was that faith was for the weak-minded, for little old ladies, and for those near death. Yet every belief you and I have about history, other countries, science, biology, etc., exists because of faith. You only believe what you believe because you believed the person who told you the information you believe. You don't know who discovered America. You simply have faith that what was told to you is indeed true. Neither do you know if General Custer died at the hands of Indians, or if Napoleon really existed.

We can't live without faith. Try it. Say to yourself, "Today, I refuse to exercise any faith at all." Then before you eat your corn flakes, go through every flake, scientifically testing it before you eat it. Refuse to trust that the manufacturers have obeyed health regulations and mixed the ingredients correctly. Do the same tests on the milk before you pour it on the corn flakes, in faith. You don't know that the milk processors have done their job and given you pure milk. They may have mixed in something that could be harmful to your health. Don't trust the sugar producers either. God only knows what they did while they were processing the sugar. Check the microscope and other tools used for your analysis. How can you really trust that the information you gather from them is reliable? Don't trust your weight to the chair at the breakfast table. Don't believe today's weather report or any news item until you actually go to the proper location and see for yourself if what they would have you believe is true. Even then you will have to trust your natural senses (which can't always be trusted).

Before you drink your coffee, don't trust that the cup is perfectly clean. Wash it out yourself. Don't use untested water, in faith. We really don't know what's in it nowadays. It may be contaminated. Analyze the coffee. If you decide to take a taxi to work, you will have to trust your life to the vehicle and the taxi driver, and trust the other drivers to stay on their side of the road. You will have to trust elevators, stairways, airplanes, the post office, and banks. Believe me -- we either live with faith or fall victim to paranoia.

If, then, faith so evidently surrounds us, why should it be so offensive? It is simply because faith is as essential to the spiritual realm as oxygen is to the natural realm. The professing atheist thinks that if he can get rid of any thought of faith, he can get rid of Christianity. In trying to do so, he saws through the branch he is sitting on. His own faith in the erroneous information he has, makes him think he is atheistic in his beliefs.

Trump Card
I have found from experience that the popular atheist's question, "Who made God?" doesn't deserve to have a question mark. It is usually presented as a statement. The questioner is persuaded that such a question cannot be answered. A twinkle is usually seen in his eye as he tosses what he thinks is his trump card onto the table. He gambles his very soul on the belief that there is no higher card--that it cannot be answered.

Actually, the explanation is very simple. Does space have an end? If it does--if there is a brick wall at the end of space that reads "The End," I want to know what's behind the brick wall. By faith you and I are forced to believe that no matter in which direction we set off, space will never end. It just goes on and on and on--forever. It has no beginning or end. It hurts the brain to think about such a state, but we have no choice but to accept that fact by faith.

God also has no beginning and no end. But with God, we have a little more information than we have with space. Time is a dimension that God has created and it is to this dimension that mankind is subjected. We have to wait for time to pass. We can't jump ahead even one second in time. We are enslaved in its power. It is because we are in time that reason demands a beginning and an end. It hurts the brain to think of any other dimension.

God is not subject to the dimension of time. He dwells in eternity. The Bible tells us that a day to the Lord is as a thousand years to us (see Psalm 90:4 & 2 Peter 3:8). You can prove this for yourself by studying the prophecies of the Bible mentioned in a later chapter. God can flick through time as you and I flick through the pages of a history book. If you find this hard to believe, even when confronted with the evidence of biblical prophecies, you will find it to be true one day. The Scriptures tell us that God will eventually withdraw time, and we will then dwell in eternity.

The Christian is told that he understands "by faith." This happens if I have major surgery. I trust a surgeon, even though I have no real understanding of how he is going to operate. I have to trust him or there will be no operation. I understand that he has the ability to make me well, so I have faith in him.

In the same manner, I trust God. Many have died at the hands of surgeons, but no one perishes in the hands of God. God's ability is boundless and His promises are "both sure and steadfast, an anchor of the soul" (Hebrews 6:19). Doctors and pilots will fail you, friends you trust will disappoint you, elevators will let you down, but the promises of Almighty God are utterly trustworthy. This may be hard for you to appreciate at this time, but I want to encourage you to have an open mind as we look closely at the subject of atheism.

The Atheist Test
I don't believe in atheists. This isn't because I haven't met people who claim the title, but because such a person cannot be. Let's imagine that you are a professing atheist. I will ask you two questions: First, do you know the combined weight of all the sand on all the beaches of Hawaii? I think I can safely assume that you don't. This brings us to the second question: Do you know how many hairs are on the back of a fully grown male Tibetan yak? Probably not. I think, therefore, that it is reasonable for me to conclude that there are some things you don't know. It is important to ask these questions because there are some people who think they know everything.

Let's say that you know an incredible one percent of all the knowledge in the universe. To know 100 percent, you would have to know everything. There wouldn't be a rock in the universe that you would not be intimately familiar with, or a grain of sand that you would not be aware of. You would know everything that has happened in history, from that which is common knowledge to the minor details of the secret love life of Napoleon's great-grandmother's black cat's fleas. You would know every hair of every head, and every thought of every heart. All history would be laid out before you, because you would be omniscient (all-knowing).

Bear in mind that one of the greatest scientists who ever lived, Thomas Edison, said, "We do not know a millionth of one percent about anything." Let me repeat: Let's say that you have an incredible one percent of all the knowledge in the universe. Would it be possible, in the ninety-nine percent of the knowledge that you haven't yet come across, that there might be ample evidence to prove the existence of God? If you are reasonable, you will be forced to admit that it is possible. Somewhere, in the knowledge you haven't yet discovered, there could be enough evidence to prove that God does exist.

Let's look at the same thought from another angle. If I were to make an absolute statement such as, "There is no gold in China," what is needed for that statement to be proven true? I need absolute or total knowledge. I need to have information that there is no gold in any rock, in any river, in the ground, in any store, in any ring, or in any mouth (gold filling) in China. If there is one speck of gold in China, then my statement is false and I have no basis for it. I need absolute knowledge before I can make an absolute statement. Conversely, for me to say, "There is gold in China," I don't need to have all knowledge. I just need to have seen a speck of gold in the country, and the statement is then true.

To say categorically, "There is no God," is to make an absolute statement. For the statement to be true, I must know for certain that there is no God in the entire universe. No human being has all knowledge. Therefore, none of us is able to truthfully make this assertion.

If you insist upon disbelief in God, what you must say is, "Having the limited knowledge I have at present, I believe that there is no God." Owing to a lack of knowledge on your part, you don't know if God exists. So, in the strict sense of the word, you cannot be an atheist. The only true qualifier for the title is the One who has absolute knowledge, and why on earth would God want to deny His own existence?

The professing atheist is what is commonly known as an "agnostic"--one who claims he "doesn't know" if God exists. It is interesting to note that the Latin equivalent for the Greek word is "ignoramus." The Bible tells us that this ignorance is "willful" (Psalm 10:4). It's not that a person can't find God, but that he won't. It has been rightly said that the "atheist" can't find God for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman. He knows that if he admits that there is a God, he is admitting that he is ultimately responsible to Him. This is not a pleasant thought for some.

-Taken from the book "God Doesn't Believe in Atheists" written by Ray Comfort, for further reading buy the book @ www.livingwaters.com/

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I'm an atheist and I exist. Also, gay sex.

HAVE A NICE DAY! :D
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:icondreamstalk:
Sorry, one more thing: since 10 out of 10 of us WILL die and since only one side can be right (there either is a God or there isn't) observable proof IS on its way.

If I am right then Jesus saved me from my own sinful nature and there are millions, if not billions, who will be sent to destruction in a lake of fire for every lieing, hating, lustful, idoling, coveting, blasphemous, dishonorable word or thought they have ever had and never repented for -- ground up unto ash in an unquenchable holy fire.

If I am wrong then at the very least I have lived a better life due to the philosophy of the many authors of the gospels.
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:icondreamstalk:
Great article, good posting. I've read and listened to a lot of Ray Comforts works.

As the Bible says it's foolishness to those who are perishing and from reading all the comments that is very true.

I would be interested to direct some of the commenters to places in the Bible that describe scientific things (e.g. Earth being a sphere and not flat) almost two thousand years before that was ever proven scientifically. Or how the Bible describes there as being more stars than any man could ever count and at the time their science believed there was only 1,100 stars.

What Ray Comfort is saying here is that our knowledge is so limited for any man to claim he has proven there is no God is ridiculous. Furthermore, if you go on to read more of Ray Comfort's books you'll see how he shows that it takes more "faith" to believe that nothing created everything (where did the first matter come from?) than it does to accept something created everything.

People have made themselves into their own God's so they can be free from moral obligation and that is the source of their resistance towards intelligent design.
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:iconxheartonfire43x:
I love how in a philosophical debate bringing this exerpt up brings on a lot of confusion then someone claiming to now be an agnostic.
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:iconcoelophysis:
Hmmm . . .

You've proved that since absolute knowledge of everything is impossible, one can't really call one's self an atheist. But by this reasoning, wouldn't it also follow that one can't call one's self a christian either?

And why must so many christians be under the false impression that evolution somehow obviates God and our concept of original sin, regardless of whether or not they accept it on intellectual grounds? I.D. is not science; it never has been and it never will be. Those who insist that it as are building a house on sand, and that does faith little good. In fact, no credible scientist takes the anti-evolution arguments seriously, and it isn't because they're all militant atheists with a dogmatic adherence to scientific law. You don't believe me? Then try reading "Finding Darwin's God", by Kenneth R. Miller, and "The Language of God" by Francis S. Collins. Theistic Evolution, anyone?

I'm a christain too, I hope you realize. But I think some of these arguments need to be re-evaluated.
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:iconcwooten5:
2 Peter 3:3 bro. Tells all about them. It's not the intellect blocking
belief, it's the self-seeking human will and pride.
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:iconbleysofamber:
"The professing atheist is what is commonly known as an "agnostic"--one who claims he "doesn't know" if God exists. It is interesting to note that the Latin equivalent for the Greek word is "ignoramus.""

Complete B.S.
Agnostic is derived from
"A": against, or not
and "gnostic" a particularly zealous sect of christianity.

Thus, if you want to go by actual derivation, "Agnostic" means "one who disagrees with the Gnostics," or, "A person who is not a religious zelot."

I can't believe that this guy published that in a book.
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:iconllatrejull:
Gnostism is as much a sect as Christianity as Mormanism, or The Church of Latter Day Saints is. when i say that i mean that they don't believe in Biblical Christianity, they pick and choose what they want to believe from the Bible and then they add in their own Scriptures. they all deny the diety of Christ in their "other writings" which all have no volitity to them:
Gnostic got the Gnostic Gospels (Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Mary Magdalene, ect...)
Mormans of the Book of Morman
The Church of Latter Day Saints has the books pressed by the Watchtower Fellowship and they retranslated the Bible to make it work for them.
All in all they are man made thus we can say they are not the same as Biblical Christianity.
Not sure where you heard the definition of "gnostic" but it is not "a particularly zealous sect of christianity"
The word “gnostic” derives from the Greek word gnostikon, one who has secret or esoteric knowledge; from the Greek root gnosis, knowledge. Stemming from the same Indo-European root as the English word “know,” gnosis forms the basis of words like “agnostic” (one who lacks knowledge), “diagnosis” (knowledge obtained by observation), etc.

Greek aside check out the definition according to Webster's:

Agnostic \Ag*nos"tic\, n.
One who professes ignorance, or denies that we have any
knowledge, save of phenomena; one who supports agnosticism,
neither affirming nor denying the existence of a personal
Deity, a future life, etc.

Things like this are little disputes that don't matter much, they important thing to ask yourself is what you believe,...and why do you believe it. Do you believe there is a God? Why?
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DeMann6654 Nov 14, 2005  Professional Writer
It's spelled "Mormon" =D

Also, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the current and official tag attached to the religion founded by Joseph Smith, Jr. in the former part of the 19th century. Members of this religion are commonly referred to as "Mormons;" but don't call them "members of the Mormon Church." They hate that! Their scriptural additions include the Joseph Smith Translation/Insipred Version of the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, and the Doctrines & Covenants. An article about the LDS church, which included an interview with LDS President Prophet and Revelator Gordon B. Hinkley, was recently featured in "Time" magazine. It was absolute and utter propoganda on Hinkley's part. He can be quoted as saying that Mormons are Christian because "His name is in the title of our organization." *Golf clap.*

The Watchtower Organization/Watchtower Fellowship is the official head of the Jehovah's Witnesses cult, which was started by Charles Taze Russel in 1872. You will know these people when they knock on your door at nine in the morning, carrying copies of their "Awake!" and "Watchtower" magazines, in addition to their New World Translation of the Bible (which as you noted is horribly altered.) These people believe, as Russel drilled into his converts, that the true revelation of the scripture can come only from the Watchtower Organization. They also don't salute the flag, sing the national anthem, vote, or celebrate certain holidays.



I figure you mistakingly mixed-and-matched your Christian-wannabe religions, so I felt obliged to note and cite the distinctions. Hope you don't mind.
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:iconllatrejull:
ah yes i always get the two intermingled. thanks for that, i am sure by that point i had already replied to liek 5 or 6 other arguments and my brain was starting to grow weak and tired. thanks again.

Godspeed
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